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shamelessly_mkpMy followup comment to the AO3:
"I’m afraid that for many reasons, including different standards among users about how and what to warn for beyond the Archive Warnings, the Archive is not always a secure space — we advise users to read tags, summaries and notes carefully before proceeding."
My point is that people are using tags that are LIES. Offensive and incredibly user-hostile lies.
Parent/child incest? Not daddy kink. Pedophilia? Not age play.
In fact, the fact that pedophilia isn’t required to have a rape/non-con warning in addition to underage (if the authors have not chose not to warn) is pretty damn concerning, since it IS unambiguously rape.
In the TOS, you have specifically reserved the right to modify or remove tags as deemed appropriate. How is tagging a father raping a son as ‘daddy kink’ not something that merits intervention?
Is it that those wrangling tags honestly don’t see the difference? Because if so, there’s a larger issue here in that your volunteers are perpetuating some really awful and poisonous false beliefs about bdsm in general and ageplay in particular.
I’ll send a separate comment about some of the inaccurate kink tag wrangling, as it’s only tangentially related to this, however I would like to point out that you specifically seem to recruit tag wranglers by fandom whereas I am saying that you really ought to get a wrangler specifically for kinks since apparently the wrangling thereof is pretty hit or miss.
My hope is that this comment clarifies my concerns and suggestions.
~mkp
[For reference: my original comment and your official response:
Feedback:"Misused Tags
"I read a lot of kink fic and I’ve noticed that many of the kink tags get used in egregious ways (e.g., using daddy!kink as a tag for parent/child incest) and/or get used as synonymns with or subsumed by inaccurate meta-tags.
"Is there a system in place for flagging such issues? I’m particularly concerned about the daddy!kink tag; it falls under the ageplay tag and (since incest using this tag is rarely marked, nor is actual pedophilia differentiated from ageplay) makes it incredibly difficult for those looking for actual ageplay fics. since many involved in ageplay are survivors of such abuse, the generalization becomes even more problematic, no longer just a source of frustration but actively making the ageplay tag an inherently unsafe place.
"I know I for one would be happy to volunteer to wrangle kink tags, and I’m sure there are other fannish kinksters who would be more th an willing as well."
Response:"Many thanks for contacting us about this issue.
"I’m afraid the only tags that have to be accurate (and that you can report to our Abuse team if mistagged) are the Ratings and Archive Warnings tags. You can read the Terms of Service (http://ift.tt/MvDNTX) for more details about what is allowed and what not regarding tagging. I’m afraid that for many reasons, including different standards among users about how and what to warn for beyond the Archive Warnings, the Archive is not always a secure space — we advise users to read tags, summaries and notes carefully before proceeding.
"If you do find a work in violation of the ToS, please report them to Abuse using the Report Abuse form (http://ift.tt/KIgbLP) linked in the footer.
"If you want to volunteer as a wrangler, you can do so when the position is open using this form: http://ift.tt/yx6cqW. Tag Wrangling has just closed a recruitment period, so they might not open again for a few months. We announce recruitment in all our news outlets, though, so keep an eye out!
"Mistakes when wrangling certainly happen — there are a lot of tags in the Archive, and deciding what to connect to what is not always a straightforward process. If you want to report a connection you feel is inaccurate, please contact us (the Support team) and we will pass on your feedback to the Wrangling team.
"Please don’t hesitate to contact us again if you have any other questions or run into any problems."]
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"I’m afraid that for many reasons, including different standards among users about how and what to warn for beyond the Archive Warnings, the Archive is not always a secure space — we advise users to read tags, summaries and notes carefully before proceeding."
My point is that people are using tags that are LIES. Offensive and incredibly user-hostile lies.
Parent/child incest? Not daddy kink. Pedophilia? Not age play.
In fact, the fact that pedophilia isn’t required to have a rape/non-con warning in addition to underage (if the authors have not chose not to warn) is pretty damn concerning, since it IS unambiguously rape.
In the TOS, you have specifically reserved the right to modify or remove tags as deemed appropriate. How is tagging a father raping a son as ‘daddy kink’ not something that merits intervention?
Is it that those wrangling tags honestly don’t see the difference? Because if so, there’s a larger issue here in that your volunteers are perpetuating some really awful and poisonous false beliefs about bdsm in general and ageplay in particular.
I’ll send a separate comment about some of the inaccurate kink tag wrangling, as it’s only tangentially related to this, however I would like to point out that you specifically seem to recruit tag wranglers by fandom whereas I am saying that you really ought to get a wrangler specifically for kinks since apparently the wrangling thereof is pretty hit or miss.
My hope is that this comment clarifies my concerns and suggestions.
~mkp
[For reference: my original comment and your official response:
Feedback:"Misused Tags
"I read a lot of kink fic and I’ve noticed that many of the kink tags get used in egregious ways (e.g., using daddy!kink as a tag for parent/child incest) and/or get used as synonymns with or subsumed by inaccurate meta-tags.
"Is there a system in place for flagging such issues? I’m particularly concerned about the daddy!kink tag; it falls under the ageplay tag and (since incest using this tag is rarely marked, nor is actual pedophilia differentiated from ageplay) makes it incredibly difficult for those looking for actual ageplay fics. since many involved in ageplay are survivors of such abuse, the generalization becomes even more problematic, no longer just a source of frustration but actively making the ageplay tag an inherently unsafe place.
"I know I for one would be happy to volunteer to wrangle kink tags, and I’m sure there are other fannish kinksters who would be more th an willing as well."
Response:"Many thanks for contacting us about this issue.
"I’m afraid the only tags that have to be accurate (and that you can report to our Abuse team if mistagged) are the Ratings and Archive Warnings tags. You can read the Terms of Service (http://ift.tt/MvDNTX) for more details about what is allowed and what not regarding tagging. I’m afraid that for many reasons, including different standards among users about how and what to warn for beyond the Archive Warnings, the Archive is not always a secure space — we advise users to read tags, summaries and notes carefully before proceeding.
"If you do find a work in violation of the ToS, please report them to Abuse using the Report Abuse form (http://ift.tt/KIgbLP) linked in the footer.
"If you want to volunteer as a wrangler, you can do so when the position is open using this form: http://ift.tt/yx6cqW. Tag Wrangling has just closed a recruitment period, so they might not open again for a few months. We announce recruitment in all our news outlets, though, so keep an eye out!
"Mistakes when wrangling certainly happen — there are a lot of tags in the Archive, and deciding what to connect to what is not always a straightforward process. If you want to report a connection you feel is inaccurate, please contact us (the Support team) and we will pass on your feedback to the Wrangling team.
"Please don’t hesitate to contact us again if you have any other questions or run into any problems."]
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